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GAYS AND JESUS
This page is in no way meant to condone or condemn
anything. I am simply trying to clarify the Biblical issue
of Jesus and homosexuals.
LET'S FOCUS ON JESUS ONLY
realize that other writers in the Bible take a different
approach to homosexuality.
only concentrating here
on what Jesus is quoted as saying about the subject.
DOES THE GAY LIFE STYLE OFFEND YOU ?
If you are offended by gays and their life style,
that is your business and you have every right to express
yourself as you desire within the law.
THE CHRISTIAN POINT OF VIEW
My concern however is with the comments I see
They stand on the Bible and declare that the gay life
style is sin etc. etc.
JESUS ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE
APPROACHED THE GAY SITUATION AS
NORMAL AND NATURAL
If you are a follower of Jesus Christ, you will have to
change your opinion on the subject , because
Jesus obviously had no problem with gays.
WHAT IS A EUNUCH ?
To understand this, you must first consider the
A Eunuch to most people is a castrated male.
were very important
in Biblical times and in fact, many Eunuchs rose to
great stature in ancient social structures.
THERE WERE THREE KINDS OF EUNUCHS
DURING BIBLICAL TIMES
There was the natural Eunuch, and the mutilated Eunuch,
and the religious Eunuch
A NATURAL EUNUCH
A MUTILATED EUNUCH
AND A RELIGIOUS EUNUCH
The religious Eunuch abstained from sex to live
in a monastery.
They endorsed celibacy as priests are supposed to today.
The mutilated Eunuch was castrated to work in a harem.
But who was the natural Eunuch?
ROMAN LAW DEALING WITH EUNUCHS
In ancient Roman Law it is laid out by the Roman
jurist Ulpian .
in a document known as Lex Julia et Papia,
Book 1 (Digest 50.16.128),
that "Eunuch is a general designation:
the term includes those who are eunuchs by nature,
as well as those who are mutilated.
In stature he places the natural eunuchs first.
UNDER LAW, TWO EUNUCH CONDITIONS WERE COVERED.
MUTILATED AND NATURAL.
THE NATURAL EUNUCH IS PLACED AHEAD
OF THE MUTILATED
The mutilated Eunuch was designated as one
diseased and the natural Eunuch was designated
as one not diseased.
The law (D 28.2.6) says that someone who cannot
is nonetheless entitled to institute a posthumous heir,
but it gives no concrete examples of such a man.
In the same context, it states that the "eunuch" holds
this right as well, while "castrated men" expressly do not.
THE LAW SEPARATED THE EUNUCH
(TODAY WE CALL GAY)
FROM CASTRATED MEN
Ulpian makes a distinction between the
castrated Eunuch and the castrated Eunuch.
Whole eunuchs who were freemen, unlike
were eligible for marriage and for adopting
children (D 188.8.131.52, 28.2.6).
In fact, anatomically whole eunuchs had all the
rights and duties of ordinary men.
This is important because there are some
who have written me that natural eunuchs could
have been people who were born
with physical sexual problems.
As you can see above, the eunuch had to be
meaning the person could not be physically
defective in order to qualify as a natural eunuch.
UNDER ROMAN LAW
THE GAYS OF THAT TIME WERE ALLOWED
TO MARRY AND ADOPT CHILDREN
NATURAL EUNUCHS ARE THOSE
WE REFER TO TODAY AS GAYS
The point of all this is that ancient law
differentiated between natural Eunuchs,
and mutilated Eunuchs.
Natural Eunuchs were homosexual men of that time,
and had all rights and duties of ordinary men.
COMMENTS ON THE ANCIENT
GAY LIFE STYLE
FROM LEADERS OF THAT PERIOD
CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA
Clement of Alexandria warned Christians against
the evils of eunuch servants being placed in
charge of women, because they will act as pimps
for the women, and moreover, "the true eunuch is
not unable, but [merely?] unwilling to have sex."
In other words, the women might get the eunuchs
to sleep with them.
WHAT IS IMPORTANT IN THIS STATEMENT IS THAT
CLEMENT DEFINES THE TRUE EUNUCH
AS ONE WHO IS ABLE TO HAVE SEX (WITH WOMEN),
BUT UNWILLING TO DO SO.
THAT IS THE HOMOSEXUAL OF THIS DAY
THE WORDS OF JOSEPHUS
Josephus, in Jewish Antiquities IV 8,40, indicated
that in the case of some, since
it is evident that their soul has become effeminate,
they have transfused that effeminacy to their body also.
THIS STATEMENT OF JOSEPHUS TAKES THE POSITION
THAT THE INDIVIDUAL IS FEMININE WITHIN THEMSELVES,
AND THAT IS DEMONSTRATED OUTWARDLY
THE MOST FAMOUS JEWISH HISTORIAN
PLINY THE ELDER
Pliny the Elder assigned eunuchs and hermaphrodites
to the "third gender called half-male,"
THE WORD HERMAPHRODITES REFERS TO ONE WHO
HAS BOTH MALE AND FEMALE CHARACTERISTICS.
PLINY REFERRED TO EUNUCHS AND HERMAPHRODITES
AS HALF MALE
Although the Qur'an never uses the word khasy,
it recognizes that not all persons are male or female and
that there are some people who are aqim, or
"ineffectual,"109 and some men who "lack the
primary skills of males.
THE QUR'AN DESCRIBES THIS TYPE OF PERSON
AS INEFFECTUAL AND LACKING PRIMARY
SKILLS OF MALES WHICH WOULD BE
INTERCOURSE WITH FEMALES
SUETONIUS ABOUT THE EMPEROR TITUS
Suetonius said of the emperor Titus that
"he was suspected of excess; and likewise
of lust because of his crowds of catamites,
91 Apuleius, tells of a band of "half-men" [semiviri],
1 who call each other "girls" [puellae] and
have sex with young men,
both as active and as passive partners.
2 They also act as cultic priests of the Mother Goddess,
a traditional role for eunuchs.
CATAMITES WERE BOYS WHO HAD SEXUAL
ENCOUNTERS WITH MEN
YOU WILL NOTE THEY ARE DIFFERENTIATED
BUT HERE SUETONIUS BRINGS UP THE
TERM HALF MEN WHO
CALL EACH OTHER GIRLS AND HAVE
SEX WITH YOUNG MEN.
WHAT DOES JESUS SAY ABOUT EUNUCHS?
Now what does Jesus say about Eunuchs,
keeping in mind that the natural Eunuchs were
the gays or homosexuals of the time.
JESUS REFERS TO THE THREE KINDS WE
HAVE COVERED ABOVE.
RELIGIOUS EUNUCHS WHO GIVE UP SEX
MUTILATED EUNUCHS WHO
ARE CASTRATED FOR HAREMS,
NATURAL EUNUCHS WHO ARE THE ONES WE
TODAY REFER TO AS GAY
KJV Matthew 19:12
12. For there are some eunuchs,
which were so born from their mother's womb: GAYS
and there are some eunuchs, which were made
eunuchs of men: CASTRATED
and there be eunuchs, which have made
themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.
RELIGIOUS (PRIESTS ETC)
He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Here Jesus first refers to the Natural Eunuch that today
we call Homosexual or Gay
Next he refers to Eunuchs made so by men.
These were castrated males who were to serve
Finally he refers to Eunuchs who give up sex for religion,
saying they made themselves that way for the
kingdom of heaven.
NOTE ABOVE: JESUS KNEW THIS WOULD SHOCK
PEOPLE AS IT DOES CHRISTIANS TODAY
HE KNEW SOME PEOPLE WOULD NOT ACCEPT IT
AS CHRISTIANS DO NOT ACCEPT IT TODAY
SO HE SAID
HE THAT IS ABLE TO RECEIVE IT, LET HIM RECEIVE IT.
IN OTHER WORDS
YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT, BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT IS
SO NOW YOU CAN CHOOSE WHOM TO ACCEPT.
THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH OR JESUS.
THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A BIG DIFFERENCE
You can be anti Gay if you wish.
That is your right.
However, you cannot be anti gay and claim to be a
follower of Jesus Christ.
As you can see. He did not feel that way.
So take your choice, you are a follower of Jesus
or you're not.
IF YOU ARE AGAINST GAYS
THEN YOU ARE AT ODDS WITH JESUS CHRIST
BASED ON THE SCRIPTURE WE HAVE STUDIED
AND THE CONDITIONS AT THAT TIME
You certainly have a right to disapprove of the
Gay life style.
That is your right.
But when you approach it from a Christian standpoint
you are actually anti Christ.
CHRISTIANS SAY THAT GAYS
CHOOSE THAT LIFESTYLE
JESUS DISAGREES AND SAYS
THEY ARE BORN THAT WAY
If Jesus says that some are born that way from their
mothers womb, and you say that those within the womb
are creations of God, that means that those whom
you may not approve of are creations of God.
SO IF YOU BELIEVE THAT GOD CREATES FROM
THE WOMB AS CHRISTIANS DO.
THEN YOU MUST FACE THE FACT THAT FOR
GOD CHOSE TO CREATE GAYS FROM THE WOMB
On top of all of this, the man who was selected to translate
the Bible into English, King James 1, was gay.
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