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EUNUCHS

HOMOSEXUALS

GAYS AND JESUS

BIBLICAL COMMENTS OF JESUS ON HOMOSEXUALS

This page is not meant to condone, or condemn
anything.

I am simply trying to clarify the Biblical issue
of Jesus and homosexuals.

I realize that other writers in the Bible take a different
approach to homosexuality.

I AM  CONCENTRATING  ONLY ON THE JESUS

COMMENTS REGARDING HOMOSEXUALITY

AS RECORDED IN THE BIBLE

DOES THE GAY LIFE STYLE OFFEND YOU ?

If you are offended by gays and their life style, that is your business, and you
have every right to express yourself as you desire within the law.

THE RELIGIOUS  POINT OF VIEW  

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My concern however is with the comments I see from the religious.

They stand on the Bible and declare that the gay life style is sin etc. etc.

THE BIBLE SUGGESTS THAT JESUS HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH GAYS

If you are a follower of Jesus Christ, then you may want to rethink your position on the subject , because Jesus obviously had no problem with gays.

EUNUCH

WHAT IS A EUNUCH ?

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To understand this, you must first consider the nature of the word Eunuch.

A Eunuch to most people is a castrated male.

But we have to define the word as it was used in the cultures several thousand years ago.

The word gay did not mean homosexual several thousand years ago.

Eunuchs were very important in Biblical times and in fact, many Eunuchs rose to great stature in ancient
social structures.

FOR OUR STUDY WE WILL CONSIDER

THREE DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE

WHO WERE DEFINED AS EUNUCHS IN BIBLICAL TIMES.

A EUNUCH SPECIFICALLY WAS A MALE WHO WOULD NOT HAVE SEX WITH A WOMAN
 

These were the three kinds of Eunuchs as so defined in Biblical times.

There was the Eunuch who was born with feminine traits, and had no sexual interest in women.

THE EUNUCHS AND ROMAN LAW

The Eunuch who would not have sex because of religion was not covered under Roman law.

There was no reference to them in the law .

THE LAWS APPLYING TO EUNUCHS ARE FOUND IN ROMAN LAW

 AS LEX JULIA ET PAPIA

In ancient Roman Law it is laid out by the Roman jurist Ulpian in a document known as Lex Julia et Papia, Book 1 (Digest 50.16.128)

 "Eunuch is a general designation: the term includes those who are eunuchs by nature, as well as  those who are  mutilated.

So the Roman Jurist Ulpian specifically addressed two kinds of eunuchs in the law.

The mutilated ones, and the natural ones.

EUNUCHS BY NATURE AND EUNUCHS MUTILATED

"In stature the jurist Ulpian places the natural eunuchs first. "

UNDER ROMAN LAW THE NATURAL EUNUCH HAD STATURE OVER THE MUTILATED EUNUCH

But who was the natural eunuch?

The mutilated Eunuch was designated as one diseased, and the natural Eunuch was designated as one not diseased.

THE LAW
The law (D 28.2.6) says that someone who cannot easily procreate is nonetheless entitled to institute a posthumous heir, but it gives no concrete examples of such a man.

In the same context, it states that the "eunuch" holds this right as well, while "castrated men" expressly do not.

And so here, the jurist Ulpian refers to the non castrated man as a eunuch, and refers to the castrated as castrated men.

NATURAL EUNUCHS COULD MARRY AND ADOPT CHILDREN

THE LAW

Whole eunuchs who were freemen, unlike mutilated eunuchs, were eligible for marriage and for adopting children

(D 23.3.39.1, 28.2.6).

 In fact, anatomically whole eunuchs had all the rights and duties of ordinary men.

Whole Eunuchs means nothing was missing.

They were physically normal in all ways, (whole), but they would not have sex with women.

NATURAL EUNUCHS WERE THOSE WE REFER TO TODAY AS GAYS

Ancient law differentiated between natural Eunuchs,  and mutilated Eunuchs.

Natural Eunuchs were homosexual men of that time, and had all rights and duties of ordinary men.
 

CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA WARNS AGAINST EUNUCHS

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Clement of Alexandria warned Christians against the evils of eunuch servants being placed in charge of women, because they will act as pimps for the women, and moreover, "the true eunuch is not unable, but [merely?] unwilling to have sex."

Clement makes it clear as to who is being referred to here AS THE TRUE EUNUCH.

Not someone who is  unable to have sex with women, but someone who is not willing to have sex with women.

And Clement calls those not willing to have sex with women THE TRUE EUNUCH

It is important to see that this Catholic Saint makes it abundantly clear that the true eunuch is one who is capable of sexual activity.

This is very important to remember when considering the words of Jesus.

JOSEPHUS, AND THE FEMININE SOUL

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The following is a very interesting statement from Josephus.

But as he says, that inner feminine trait is transfused (moves) from the inside to the outside.

Josephus, in Jewish Antiquities IV 8,40, indicated that in the case of some, since "it is evident that their soul has become effeminate, they have transfused that effeminacy to their body also."

THE FEMININE ASPECT OF THE PERSON IS WITHIN THEM

The Body is reflecting their inner spirit
 

THE MOST FAMOUS JEWISH HISTORIAN PLINY THE ELDER

CALLS THEM HALF MALE

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Pliny the Elder assigned eunuchs and hermaphrodites to the "third gender called half-male,"

The definition of hermaphrodite.

One having both male and female sexual characteristics and organs.

Today we would call that person trans sexual.

THE QUR'AN

Although the Qur'an never uses the word khasy, it recognizes that not all persons are male or female and  that there are some people who are aqim, or "ineffectual,"109  and some men who "lack the primary skills of males.
 

SUETONIUS ABOUT THE EMPEROR TITUS

AND HIS EUNUCHS AND CATAMITES

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In this piece we read about the concern expressed  by Suetonius who was a Roman historian and wrote much about Roman history and the emperors.

Suetonius expresses concern about the emperor Titus being involved with homosexuals and those who practice sex with boys.

Suetonius said of the emperor Titus that "he was suspected of excess; and likewise of lust because of his crowds of catamites and eunuchs."91

Titus would certainly not lust after eunuchs if they were missing genitalia.

Suetonius is clearly speaking of a homosexual lust.

ABOVE: THE CATAMITE WAS ONE WHO ENGAGED SEXUALLY WITH BOYS.

Suetonius expresses his concern about the Emperor Titus having homosexual sex with eunuchs, and with boys.

APULEIUS SAYS, THEY CALL EACH OTHER GIRLS

Apuleius was a writer of prose, and a student of Plato.

Apuleius,  tells of a band of "half-men" [semiviri], 1 who call each other "girls" [puellae] and have sex with young men, both as active and as passive partners.2 

They also act as cultic priests of the Mother Goddess, a traditional role for eunuchs.

It is quite common today to hear homosexual men refer to each other as "Girl".

There can be no doubt that these ancient statements refer to homosexuals as eunuchs.

HOMOSEXUALS OF THAT TIME, AS I HAVE SHOWN, WERE REFERRED TO AS NATURAL EUNUCHS.

PEOPLE WHO WERE BORN THAT WAY

WHAT DOES JESUS SAY ABOUT  EUNUCHS IN GENERAL

AND NATURAL EUNUCHS IN PARTICULAR

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JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT WHY SOME MEN DID NOT MARRY

Jesus starts off by telling the people that the only time a man can divorce his wife is if she is guilty of fornication.

And Jesus says, that if a man does that, he is guilty of adultery, and if someone else has sex with that woman, he also is guilty of adultery.

Matthew 19:9.  Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, commits  adultery: and whoever marries her also commits adultery.

In commenting on this, Jesus disciples say, " well if that's the case, then its better not to get married.

Matthew 19:10. His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.

The Discussion Then Changed To Why Some Men Do Not Marry

He realizes that some people will not accept this and he says as much.

Matthew 19:11. But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.

In talking about reasons why some men do not marry, Jesus limits the discussion to Eunuchs.

Matthew 19:12. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb:

There are the natural Eunuchs, that are referred to today as Gay, or Homosexual

and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men:

There are the castrated or mutilated Eunuchs.

and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.

There are the men which abstain from sex for religious purposes.

NOTICE THAT THE MEN WHO ABSTAIN FROM SEX FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSES ARE PERFECTLY NORMAL, BUT JESUS ALSO REFERS TO THEM AS EUNUCHS, BECAUSE THE WON'T HAVE SEX WITH WOMEN

He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

Jesus knew that there would be people who would reject his teaching.

How about you, can you receive it?

ROMAN LAW AT JESUS TIME DESCRIBED NATURAL EUNUCHS

AS WE WOULD GAYS TODAY.

AND JESUS CONFIRMED THAT THEY ARE BORN THAT WAY

HERE IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO

CHOOSE WHOM TO ACCEPT

 THE  CHURCH    

OR JESUS CHRIST

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ON THIS SUBJECT, THEY DISAGREE

YOU CAN'T BE ANTI GAY AND A FOLLOWER OF JESUS

BECAUSE HE WAS NOT ANTI GAY

You can be anti Gay if you wish.

As you can see.

He did not feel that way.

You certainly have a right to disapprove of the Gay life style.

Remember, Jesus said, "judge not"

JESUS SAYS NATURAL EUNUCHS (TODAYS GAYS)

ARE BORN THAT WAY FROM THEIR MOTHERS WOMB

If Jesus says that some are born that way from their mothers womb

And if as the religious say  those within the womb are creations of God

That means that those whom the religious  may not approve of, are creations of God. 

BUT WHEN IT CAME TIME TO HAVE THE BIBLE TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH

HE PICKED KING JAMES 1 WHO WAS GAY

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