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GAYS AND JESUS

 

 

EUNUCHS

 

 

HOMOSEXUALS

 

 

BIBLICAL COMMENTS OF JESUS ON HOMOSEXUALS

 

 


This page is not meant to condone, or condemn
anything.

 

 

I am simply trying to clarify the Biblical issue
of Jesus and homosexuals.

 



I realize that other writers in the Bible take a different
approach to homosexualit
y.

 

 

I AM  CONCENTRATING  ONLY ON THE JESUS

COMMENTS REGARDING HOMOSEXUALITY

AS RECORDED IN THE BIBLE

 

 



 

 

 

DOES THE GAY LIFE STYLE OFFEND YOU ?


If you are offended by gays and their life style, that is your business,

and you have every right to express yourself

as you desire within the law.

 

 


THE RELIGIOUS  POINT OF VIEW  

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My concern however is with the comments I see from the religious.

 

 

They stand on the Bible and declare that the gay life style is sin etc. etc.

 

 

THE BIBLE SUGGESTS THAT JESUS HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH GAYS

 

 

If you are a follower of Jesus Christ, then you may want to rethink

your position on the subject , because Jesus obviously

had no problem with gays.

 

 


 

 

 

EUNUCH

WHAT IS A EUNUCH ?

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To understand this, you must first consider the nature

of the word Eunuch.

 

 

A Eunuch to most people is a castrated male.

 

 

But we have to define the word as it was used in the cultures

several thousand years ago.

 

 

The word gay did not mean homosexual several

thousand years ago.

The word homosexual was not used several thousand years ago.

 

 

Eunuchs were very important in Biblical times and in fact,

many Eunuchs rose to great stature in ancient social structures.

 

 


 

 

 

FOR OUR STUDY WE WILL CONSIDER

THREE DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE

WHO WERE DEFINED AS

EUNUCHS IN BIBLICAL TIMES.

 

A EUNUCH SPECIFICALLY WAS A MALE WHO

WOULD NOT HAVE SEX WITH A WOMAN


 

These were the three kinds of Eunuchs as so

defined in Biblical times.

 

 

There was the Eunuch who would not have sex for religious purposes,

and entered a monastery.

 

 

There was the Eunuch who was castrated to work in harems.

 

 

There was the Eunuch who was born with feminine traits,

and had no sexual interest in women.

 

 



 

 

 

THE EUNUCHS AND ROMAN LAW

 

The Eunuch who would not have sex because of religion

was not covered under Roman law.

There was no reference to them in the law .

 

THE LAWS APPLYING TO EUNUCHS ARE FOUND IN ROMAN LAW

 

 AS LEX JULIA ET PAPIA

In ancient Roman Law it is laid out by the Roman jurist Ulpian in a

document known as Lex Julia et Papia, Book 1 (Digest 50.16.128)

 

 

 "Eunuch is a general designation: the term includes those who are

eunuchs by nature, as well as  those who are  mutilated.

 

 

So the Roman Jurist Ulpian specifically addressed two kinds

of eunuchs in the law.

 

 

The mutilated ones, and the natural ones.

 

 


 

 

 

 

EUNUCHS BY NATURE AND EUNUCHS MUTILATED

 

 

"In stature the jurist Ulpian places the natural eunuchs first. "

 

 

UNDER ROMAN LAW THE NATURAL EUNUCH HAD

STATURE OVER THE MUTILATED EUNUCH

 

But who was the natural eunuch?

 



The mutilated Eunuch was designated as one diseased,

and the natural Eunuch was designated as one not diseased.

 

THE LAW
The law (D 28.2.6) says that someone who cannot easily procreate

is nonetheless entitled to institute a posthumous heir, but it gives

no concrete examples of such a man.

 

 

In the same context, it states that the "eunuch" holds this right as well,

while "castrated men" expressly do not.

 

 

And so here, the jurist Ulpian refers to the non castrated man as a eunuch,

and refers to the castrated as castrated men.

 

 


 

 

 

 

NATURAL EUNUCHS COULD MARRY

AND ADOPT CHILDREN

 

 

THE LAW

Whole eunuchs who were freemen, unlike mutilated eunuchs,

were eligible for marriage and for adopting children

 

 

(D 23.3.39.1, 28.2.6).

 In fact, anatomically whole eunuchs had all the rights and duties

of ordinary men.

 

Whole Eunuchs means nothing was missing.

They were physically normal.

 

 

Anatomically whole means nothing was missing.

They were physically normal.

 

These were not people who had missing genitalia.

They were physically normal in all ways, (whole),

but they would not have sex with women.

 

I have had people write me saying Jesus was referring

to those who were born with defective sexual parts.

 

That was not what a Natural Eunuch was.

They were physically normal in every way.

 

Even common sense tells us that someone who was

defective sexually still could marry.

 

Jesus statement was about Eunuchs who did not marry

 


 

 

 

 

NATURAL EUNUCHS WERE THOSE

WE REFER TO TODAY AS GAYS

 


Ancient law differentiated between natural Eunuchs, 

and mutilated Eunuchs.

 

Natural Eunuchs were homosexual men of that time,

and had all rights and duties of ordinary men.


 


 

 

 

 

CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA WARNS

AGAINST EUNUCHS

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Clement of Alexandria warned Christians against the evils of eunuch

servants being placed in charge of women, because they will act as

pimps for the women, and moreover,

"the true eunuch is not unable, but [merely?] unwilling to have sex."

 

Clement makes it clear as to who is being referred to here

AS THE TRUE EUNUCH.

 

Not someone who is  unable to have sex with women,

but someone who is not willing to have sex with women.

 

 

And Clement calls those not willing to have sex

THE TRUE EUNUCH

 

 

It is important to see that this Catholic Saint makes it abundantly

clear that the true eunuch is one who is capable of sexual activity.

 

In other words, the true eunuch is not a castrated male and is not

one who is physically defective.

 

The true natural Eunuch is not one who is born without genitals .

That person would not be able to engage in sex with a woman.

 

This is very important to remember when considering the words of Jesus

which you will find below.

 


 

 

 

 

JOSEPHUS, AND THE FEMININE SOUL

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The following is a very interesting statement from Josephus.

 

 

He states that these people have an effeminate soul,

meaning that though they are male, their inner self is female.

 

But as he says, that inner feminine trait is transfused (moves)

from the inside to the outside.


Josephus, in Jewish Antiquities IV 8,40, indicated that in the case

of some, since "it is evident that their soul has become effeminate,

they have transfused that effeminacy to their body also."

 

 

THE FEMININE ASPECT OF THE PERSON IS WITHIN THEM

AND REFLECTED IN THEIR BODILY ACTIONS

 

The Body is reflecting their inner spirit

 


 


 

 

 

 

THE MOST FAMOUS JEWISH HISTORIAN

PLINY THE ELDER

CALLS THEM HALF MALE

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Pliny the Elder assigned eunuchs and hermaphrodites to the

"third gender called half-male,"

 

The definition of hermaphrodite.

One having both male and female sexual characteristics and organs.

 

Today we would call that person trans sexual.

 

 

 


 

 

 

THE QUR'AN

 

 


Although the Qur'an never uses the word khasy, it recognizes that

not all persons are male or female and  that there are some people who are

 aqim, or "ineffectual,"109  and some men who "lack the primary skills of males.


 


 

 

 

 

SUETONIUS ABOUT THE EMPEROR TITUS

AND HIS EUNUCHS AND CATAMITES

 

                                    

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In this piece we read about the concern expressed  by Suetonius

who was a Roman historian and wrote much about Roman

history and the emperors.

 

 

Suetonius expresses concern about the emperor Titus being involved

with homosexuals and those who practice sex with boys.

 


Suetonius said of the emperor Titus that "he was suspected of excess;

and likewise of lust because of his crowds of

catamites and eunuchs."91

 

 

Titus would certainly not lust after eunuchs if they

were missing genitalia.

 

Suetonius is clearly speaking of a homosexual desire.

 

 

ABOVE: THE CATAMITE WAS A BOY WHO GAVE HIMSELF IN

THE SERVICE OF SEX TO A MAN.

 

 

Suetonius expresses his concern about the Emperor Titus having

homosexual sex with eunuchs, and with boys.

 

 


 

 

 

 

APULEIUS SAYS, THEY CALL EACH OTHER GIRLS

 

 

Apuleius was a writer of prose, and a student of Plato.

 

 

Apuleius,  tells of a band of "half-men" [semiviri],

1 who call each other "girls" [puellae] and have sex with young men,

both as active and as passive partners.

 

2 They also act as cultic priests of the Mother Goddess,

a traditional role for eunuchs.

 

 

It is quite common today to hear homosexual men refer to each other as "Girl".

 

 

Note how Apuleius connects the half men with eunuchs as cultic priests.

 

 

There can be no doubt that these ancient statements refer to

homosexuals as eunuchs.

 

HOMOSEXUALS OF THAT TIME, AS I HAVE SHOWN, WERE REFERRED TO

AS NATURAL EUNUCHS.

 

PEOPLE WHO WERE BORN THAT WAY

 

 


 

 

 

 

WHAT DOES JESUS SAY ABOUT 

EUNUCHS IN GENERAL

AND NATURAL EUNUCHS IN PARTICULAR

 

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JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT WHY SOME MEN DID NOT MARRY

 

 

Jesus starts off by telling the people that the only time a man can

divorce his wife is if she is guilty of fornication.

 

 

Fornication is when a person has consensual sex with someone

they are not married to.

 

 

And Jesus says, that if a man does that, he is guilty of adultery,

and if someone else has sex with that woman, he also is guilty of adultery.

 

 

Matthew 19:9.  Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication,

and shall marry another, commits  adultery:

and whoever marries her also commits adultery.

 

 

In commenting on this, Jesus disciples say,

" well if that's the case, then its better not to get married.

 

 

Matthew 19:10. His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so

with his wife, it is not good to marry.

 

 

The Discussion Then Changed To Why Some Men Do Not Marry

 

 

Jesus then starts talking about reason why some men do not marry.

 

 

He realizes that some people will not accept this and he says as much.

 


Matthew 19:11. But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying,

save they to whom it is given.

 

 

In talking about reasons why some men do not marry,

Jesus limits the discussion to Eunuchs.

 


Matthew 19:12. For there are some eunuchs,

which were so born from their mother's womb:

 

These are the natural Eunuchs, that are referred to today as

Gay, or Homosexual

 

 

and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men:

There are the castrated or mutilated Eunuchs.

 

 

and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuch

for the kingdom of heaven's sake.

There are the men who abstain from sex for religious purposes.

 

 

 

NOTICE THAT THE MEN WHO ABSTAIN FROM SEX FOR RELIGIOUS

PURPOSES ARE PERFECTLY NORMAL, BUT JESUS ALSO REFERS TO

THEM AS EUNUCHS, BECAUSE THE WON'T HAVE SEX WITH WOMEN

 

 

He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

 

Jesus knew that there would be people who would reject his teaching.

It is amazing to me that the ones who reject it most, are CHRISTIANS.

 

 

As you can see in his statement above,

Jesus also was not getting a 100% response.

 

 

Some obviously could not and would not receive the message.

 

 

But Jesus said, that's the way it is.

How about you, can you receive it?

 

 

ROMAN LAW AT JESUS TIME DESCRIBED NATURAL EUNUCHS

AS WE WOULD GAYS TODAY.

AND JESUS CONFIRMED THAT THEY ARE BORN THAT WAY

 

 

 


 

 

 

 

 

HERE IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO

CHOOSE WHOM TO ACCEPT

 

 THE  CHURCH    

 

OR JESUS CHRIST

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ON THIS SUBJECT, THE CHURCH AND JESUS CHRIST DISAGREE

 

 



 

 

 

YOU CAN'T BE ANTI GAY AND

A FOLLOWER OF JESUS

BECAUSE HE WAS NOT ANTI GAY

 

You can be anti Gay if you wish.

That is your right.

 However, you cannot be anti gay and claim to be a follower of Jesus Christ.

 

As you can see.

He did not feel that way.

 

 

JESUS CHRIST DID NOT MAKE ONE NEGATIVE COMMENT ABOUTY

GAY PEOPLE OF THAT TIME

 

 

CHRISTIANS DISAPPROVE OF THE GAY LIFESTYLE

You certainly have a right to disapprove of the Gay life style.

 

 

But if you are concerned about your Christian Salvation through Jesus,

 you may wish to rethink this subject.

 

 

Remember, Jesus said, "judge not"

 


 

 

 

CHRISTIANS SAY THAT WHAT IS IN THE WOMB

IS A CREATION OF GOD

 

 

JESUS SAYS NATURAL EUNUCHS (TODAYS GAYS)

ARE BORN THAT WAY FROM THEIR MOTHERS WOMB

 

 


If Jesus says that some are born that way from their mothers womb

and if as the religious say  those within the womb are creations of God:

 

 

That means that those whom the religious  may not approve of,

are creations of God. 

 

 

IN OTHER WORDS

MAYBE GOD CREATED HOMOSEXUALS TO TEST THE REST OF US.

 

 

BECAUSE NOT ONLY DID GOD CREATE GAY'S THAT WAY

BUT WHEN IT CAME TIME TO HAVE THE BIBLE TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH

HE PICKED KING JAMES 1 WHO WAS GAY

 

 

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HE COULD HAVE PICKED FROM  MILLIONS OF PEOPLE

BUT HE PICKED SOMEONE WHO WAS GAY

 


 

 

ONE FINAL POINT

 

APOSTLE PAUL

 

Christians write to me and speak of the Apostle Paul who in

the New Testament comes against Gays.

 

 

I remind them that Paul was not the Lord.

 

But then I point out that Paul said it was good for a man not

to touch a woman.

 

 

And though he talked against homosexuals, he said that

he could not do what he told others to do and that

there was an evil warring against his body.

 

 

So what was he into?

I have my suspicions and I have outlined them here.

 

                                               Was The Apostle Paul  Gay ?    CLICK HERE

 


 

 

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INDEX  

Apuleius

Apuleius

Clement of Alexandria

Clement of Alexandria

Emperor Titus

Emperor Titus

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Jewish Aniquities IV8,40    Josephus

Josephus

King James Bible

 

Lex Julia et Papia   Ulpian

Ulpian

Pat Robertson

Pat Robertson

Pliny the Elder

Pliny the Elder

Qu'ran

 

Seutonius

Seutonius

 


 


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